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Post by JHam on Jan 2, 2016 16:26:24 GMT
it looks like a rant from somebody who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!and it took gruner the great 6 month to produce!incredibly naive to think this will have any effect other than embarrassing us. Agreed. I just read it again. It is a poorly written rant that is very difficult to follow and will likely get sent to the trash bin after the first paragraph by anyone who reads it. It's sounds more like a last ditch effort to convince current iCell members not to head for the exit after the Astellas deal is finalized. With Ceasar now posting on Facebook he has to give members a good reason to cough up their membership fee. What better way than to make members feel as though they are now part of a movement to go after those in government who are responsible for them losing their investment/money (aka OCAT being sold to a non-US company). I still wonder what the good reason was for him to abandon iCell over the last 6 months in their time of need. It certainly was not addressed in the email. |
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Post by actcforme on Jan 2, 2016 16:44:37 GMT
It is not about 'government'. If it was (and you are a right wing no abortion/HESC) advocate..... You got exactly what you should have expected. This technology needs an atmosphere of acceptance. I am glad it is going to a country that will let it thrive. I completely disagree, and really don't even understand why people who sold all their OCAT shares bother to stay involved. I cannot believe you are happy to see this going to Japan. That is just plain un-American and uninformed (Japan going to charge patients to participate in clinical trials, per Paul Knoepfler).
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Post by actcforme on Jan 2, 2016 16:50:00 GMT
it looks like a rant from somebody who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!and it took gruner the great 6 month to produce!incredibly naive to think this will have any effect other than embarrassing us.
Boy am I confused. You have ranted against big pharma for years and Feed incriminates them in this post and you call it embarrassing to "us." Who is "us" pray tell. It does NOT embarrass me so not sure who you are talking about. I can't figure people out at all.
No one cares more about grammar and punctuation than me -- I'm anal about it, but by God everything he wrote is TRUE, and you all know I am no Feed supporter.
We will have to agree to disagree here, with you AND JHam. Maybe your long history with him and anger towards him is clouding your judgment if you are opposed to this accurate portrayal of the Regen Med sector, after what OCAT shareholders have been going through this past year and a half under Paul Wotton.
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Post by thechurchmaus on Jan 2, 2016 17:16:22 GMT
sorry for me!you are excluded from the us!
meanwhile there is a revolt going on at icell by the uses who think the same.new members here soon?
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Post by JHam on Jan 2, 2016 17:44:39 GMT
it looks like a rant from somebody who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!and it took gruner the great 6 month to produce!incredibly naive to think this will have any effect other than embarrassing us.
Boy am I confused. You have ranted against big pharma for years and Feed incriminates them in this post and you call it embarrassing to "us." Who is "us" pray tell. It does NOT embarrass me so not sure who you are talking about. I can't figure people out at all.
No one cares more about grammar and punctuation than me -- I'm anal about it, but by God everything he wrote is TRUE, and you all know I am no Feed supporter.
We will have to agree to disagree here, with you AND JHam. Maybe your long history with him and anger towards him is clouding your judgment if you are opposed to this accurate portrayal of the Regen Med sector, after what OCAT shareholders have been going through this past year and a half under Paul Wotton.
What are you talking about? I think it's great if someone wants to write a letter expressing their feelings on how the Reg Med sector has been treated over the years. I think if you read my posting history you'll find that I have expressed the same sentiment over the years. Too much red tape, too much bureaucratic squabbling in the US, less restrictions in other countries, perhaps big pharma doesn't want to see this sector succeed etc...are all thoughts I have expressed. What at I am saying is this letter is so poorly written and unprofessional that the mistakes distract from the message. Then there are some debatable facts as well. You say everything is "TRUE". Can you prove that members of the FDA accepted bribes from elected officials? If you can't (which you can't), then that would be considered a libelous statement and could be a problem for the person who wrote it. Is it true that California taxpayers approved a $10B bond sale to create CIRM? albidy on iCell who has been at CIRM from the beginning already debunked that number saying it is $3B. Not $10B. So while I applaud the effort and understand why someone would want to ruffle the feathers of all the players who contributed to the debacle of the Reg Med sector, this is not the letter to do it. Especially when the author is someone who is just as guilty of those he is accusing of starting non-profit organizations and pocketing the money. Either way, I say the chance this letter ever gets sent to any of those he is saying he'll send it to is very slim. I imagine it will serve its purpose though and buy him some more time as many on that site will read it, feel inspired, and continue dishing out their money to iCell. He sure knows his audience. |
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Post by JHam on Jan 2, 2016 17:50:49 GMT
First paragraph: "The California Institute for Regenerative Medicine (CIRM) was created in 2004 after 59% of California voters approved California Proposition 71 (2004: The California Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative. The passing of Proposition 71 established a 29-member Independent Citizens Oversight Committee (ICOC) that governs the allocation of the $3 billion authorized to fund stem cell research in California. The agency was authorized to distribute the money in grants, funded by bonds, over a ten-year period to institutions and scientists throughout California that focused on advancing stem cell research and regenerative medicine.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Institute_for_Regenerative_Medicine |
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Post by JHam on Jan 2, 2016 17:53:21 GMT
A lot of people on iCell agree with me that this was a poorly written rant by someone who sounds like a disgruntled shareholder. Just pile it on top of the countless other emails like this they have received over the years.
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Post by Whidbeygal CM 20/20 on Jan 4, 2016 3:35:37 GMT
It is not about 'government'. If it was (and you are a right wing no abortion/HESC) advocate..... You got exactly what you should have expected. This technology needs an atmosphere of acceptance. I am glad it is going to a country that will let it thrive. I completely disagree, and really don't even understand why people who sold all their OCAT shares bother to stay involved. I cannot believe you are happy to see this going to Japan. That is just plain un-American and uninformed (Japan going to charge patients to participate in clinical trials, per Paul Knoepfler).
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Post by Whidbeygal CM 20/20 on Jan 4, 2016 3:42:41 GMT
I invested over $300,000. Because I WANT the best outcome for the science. I sold because I believe the uphill battle that a USA stem cell company is tremendous. It is silly to say I am 'un-American'. Reality is, I am pro science and am global minded.
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Post by elk on Jan 4, 2016 4:36:50 GMT
I invested over $300,000. Because I WANT the best outcome for the science. I sold because I believe the uphill battle that a USA stem cell company is tremendous. It is silly to say I am 'un-American'. Reality is, I am pro science and am global minded. This doesn't make sense, especially given your previous statement; can you clarify? |
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Post by imz72 on Jan 4, 2016 4:57:43 GMT
I invested over $300,000. Because I WANT the best outcome for the science. I sold because I believe the uphill battle that a USA stem cell company is tremendous. It is silly to say I am 'un-American'. Reality is, I am pro science and am global minded. This doesn't make sense, especially given your previous statement; can you clarify? elk, I think that what you call the "previous statement" was made by actc4me, not Whidbeygal. |
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Post by JHam on Jan 4, 2016 13:29:10 GMT
I invested over $300,000. Because I WANT the best outcome for the science. I sold because I believe the uphill battle that a USA stem cell company is tremendous. It is silly to say I am 'un-American'. Reality is, I am pro science and am global minded. I agree. That is a silly comment. |
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Post by elk on Jan 4, 2016 14:41:19 GMT
This doesn't make sense, especially given your previous statement; can you clarify? elk, I think that what you call the "previous statement" was made by actc4me, not Whidbeygal. Yes, it looks like you are right about that. |
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Post by myocata on Jan 4, 2016 15:31:15 GMT
I saw a lot of comments like this "I invested ..... because I WANT the best outcome for the science". What do they do for the best outcome of science?  ? Make money? I assume everyone here received the new tender offer from his/her broker last week. I have tendered "not one fuc...g" shares, though I am green if I sell all my position. |
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Post by sidewinder on Jan 4, 2016 15:40:14 GMT
Assuming worst case scenario (in my mind) - Astellas walks, Mgt upset simply fails to deliver and even goes so far as to come clean on any issues relating to donor documentation (if any) ultimately causing SP to plummet. I'm OK with COMPLETELY losing what I have in OCAT if I get the satisfaction of knowing I was part of sticking it to PW, TM...et al. It just tickles me to think they walk away broke with tarnished reputations and hundreds of Internet Thugs following them to make sure everyone knows what crooks these guys are. All IMHO
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Post by JHam on Jan 4, 2016 16:36:09 GMT
Assuming worst case scenario (in my mind) - Astellas walks, Mgt upset simply fails to deliver and even goes so far as to come clean on any issues relating to donor documentation (if any) ultimately causing SP to plummet. I'm OK with COMPLETELY losing what I have in OCAT if I get the satisfaction of knowing I was part of sticking it to PW, TM...et al. It just tickles me to think they walk away broke with tarnished reputations and hundreds of Internet Thugs following them to make sure everyone knows what crooks these guys are. All IMHOSo in the worst case scenario, if Astellas walks and there is no other bids for OCAT, you are going to be happy that you lost everything because it sticks it to the guy who was able to sell the company for a 90% premium? That doesn't make much sense to me. If Astellas walks and there are no new suitors then I think that says a lot about what people in-the-know feel about OCAT's IP. If that is the case perhaps Wotton should be lauded for being able to get at least something for what no one else seems to want. Just throwing that out there. |
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Post by selluwud on Jan 4, 2016 16:54:31 GMT
Assuming worst case scenario (in my mind) - Astellas walks, Mgt upset simply fails to deliver and even goes so far as to come clean on any issues relating to donor documentation (if any) ultimately causing SP to plummet. I'm OK with COMPLETELY losing what I have in OCAT if I get the satisfaction of knowing I was part of sticking it to PW, TM...et al. It just tickles me to think they walk away broke with tarnished reputations and hundreds of Internet Thugs following them to make sure everyone knows what crooks these guys are. All IMHOSo in the worst case scenario, if Astellas walks and there is no other bids for OCAT, you are going to be happy that you lost everything because it sticks it to the guy who was able to sell the company for a 90% premium? That doesn't make much sense to me. If Astellas walks and there are no new suitors then I think that says a lot about what people in-the-know feel about OCAT's IP. If that is the case perhaps Wotton should be lauded for being able to get at least something for what no one else seems to want. Just throwing that out there. For my sake, I hope both your scenarios are wrong and some kind of deal goes through at higher than the current offer. |
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Post by greatceasarsghost on Jan 4, 2016 17:16:27 GMT
Assuming worst case scenario (in my mind) - Astellas walks, Mgt upset simply fails to deliver and even goes so far as to come clean on any issues relating to donor documentation (if any) ultimately causing SP to plummet. I'm OK with COMPLETELY losing what I have in OCAT if I get the satisfaction of knowing I was part of sticking it to PW, TM...et al. It just tickles me to think they walk away broke with tarnished reputations and hundreds of Internet Thugs following them to make sure everyone knows what crooks these guys are. All IMHOSo in the worst case scenario, if Astellas walks and there is no other bids for OCAT, you are going to be happy that you lost everything because it sticks it to the guy who was able to sell the company for a 90% premium? That doesn't make much sense to me. If Astellas walks and there are no new suitors then I think that says a lot about what people in-the-know feel about OCAT's IP. If that is the case perhaps Wotton should be lauded for being able to get at least something for what no one else seems to want. Just throwing that out there. Are there that many people "in the know" though? I mean a company approaches OCAT to partner, they see what's behind the curtain and decide to instead outright buy. I think the people in the know know there is something of value here. |
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Post by casualinvestor on Jan 4, 2016 17:20:38 GMT
Are there that many people "in the know" though? I mean a company approaches OCAT to partner, they see what's behind the curtain and decide to instead outright buy. I think the people in the know know there is something of value here. Entertain the possibility that a number of pharmas saw behind the curtain, didn't like what they saw, walked away, and we never heard a thing about it. |
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Post by greatceasarsghost on Jan 4, 2016 17:23:11 GMT
Are there that many people "in the know" though? I mean a company approaches OCAT to partner, they see what's behind the curtain and decide to instead outright buy. I think the people in the know know there is something of value here. that a number of pharmas saw behind the curtain, didn't like what they saw, walked away, and we never heard a thing about it. ....LOL I refuse to. |
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? Make money?
