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Post by tmfbmf on Aug 15, 2021 16:51:41 GMT
Jckrdu, too many years ago! haha Here what I have in my notes about this:
In the PII 13/27 MS pts (48.1%) made it to mRS <=0-2 at day 90. 16/52 placebo pts (30.8%) made it to mRS <=0-2 at day 90.
But, in the PIII we won't have to hit that 0-2 mark. If a patient goes from 5 to 3 it still counts. I never saw the actual full range shift data for PII, but here's an email response I got from BJ 9/26/16 (5 long years ago!) (don't remember exactly what I asked):
"First, a point of clarification: the primary endpoint compares the difference in the distribution of mRS scores between MultiStem treatment and placebo across the entire range of mRS scores (otherwise known as the mRS “shift” analysis), not just for mRS<=2. This is important because in our phase 2 study, we saw improvements across the spectrum, i.e. all levels of stroke severity, such as a reduction in mortality and severe outcomes. The shift analysis takes into account these other clinically meaningful improvements, while the binary mRS<=2 only captures a portion of these outcomes. In addition, we have Excellent Outcome (mRS<=1, NIHSS<=1 and Barthel Index>=95), as well as the binary mRS<=2, as important secondary endpoints. Second, with respect to the mRS<=2, the results you noted from our prior study would be clinically meaningful and statistically significant if achieved in this study, as would a smaller improvement over placebo. I hope this helps. Best regards, BJ Lehmann"
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Post by twenty2 on Aug 16, 2021 15:11:51 GMT
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Post by CM kipper007 on Aug 17, 2021 2:03:18 GMT
I have been waiting for some time before adding to my position. I know I am a small fish compared to some of you, but it really does feel like this might be a turning point. I added a small amount today and it is the most confident I have felt buying over the years.
It appears that Japan will allow data from the US trials to be considered for their approval.
Does anyone know if the US/EU would allow data from the Japanese trials for their approvals in the future?
Thanks everyone for the discussion and information as well.
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Post by CM kipper007 on Aug 19, 2021 18:26:21 GMT
Price levels are really low... I was expecting a slow climb.
Anyone else worried we might see a company come in and buy us?
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Post by eitherhalf on Aug 20, 2021 13:56:14 GMT
I have seen this movie before, When invested in siri many years ago at about .75 they shook it down to .10 and then took it up past 1.50 over time, shook it down again and I sold at 1.25. The stock settled at 4.00 so I plan to hold firm and I don't think it will be bought out.
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Post by imz72 on Aug 26, 2021 11:35:17 GMT
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Post by eitherhalf on Aug 26, 2021 12:32:53 GMT
Nice find, possible daylight on this little gem!
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Post by jckrdu on Aug 31, 2021 3:30:13 GMT
Slide 7 on Helios 8/10 Q2 Financial Results - Explanation of a Key Footnote Regarding When Enrollment was Completed (Link to Slide #7 is below):There has been some discussion and disagreement (mostly elsewhere) on what the below footnote means on Slide #7 regarding when Treasure enrollment was completed: "Completed after a period of time post administration to all patients to confirm that any drop-outs would not affect the analysis for efficacy."I will provide my analysis below of what I believe the above means using an example where I parse the language in the above footnote with some numbers that may not reflect reality, but will be useful for illustrative purposes to explain the meaning of this footnote. So, let's assume the following in this example:- "After a period of time" - Let's assume this "period of time" is 65 days. (Note that Helios has never stated what this "period of time" is, but many people are incorrectly assuming or speculating that its 90 days. Helios never said that the "period of time" was 90 days, and neither did Helios IR in their subsequent email response. . In fact, the need for somewhat convoluted language in the footnote is because the "period of time" was not 90 days. The "period of time" was not determined in advance. More on this below.)
- "Post Administration to All Patients" - Let's assume All patients total 220. Let's assume all 220 patients were "Administered" the treatment by June 1st, with 218 patients treated well before June 1st, and the final 2 patients treated on June 1st.
- "Dropouts" - Let's assume 213 patients were treated and passed the 90 day threshold. Let's assume we have 5 actual dropouts that never made it to the 90 day threshold, and 2 more potential dropouts for the 2 patients treated on June 1st that haven't yet crossed the 90 day threshold.
- Maximum number of drop-outs to not "affect the analysis for efficacy" - Let's assume the maximum number of dropouts from the 220 patient trial is 7,and that any more dropouts would "affect the analysis for efficacy".
So, with all of that, what does the footnote mean? It means that Hardy waited for as long as he had to (it turned out to be 65 days in this example from June 1st to August 6th), to ensure that enough patients crossed the 90 day primary endpoint threshold without dropping out. It means that as of August 6th, even if all the remaining patients that had NOT yet crossed the 90 day threshold had all dropped out (2 patients in this example) Hardy knew if that worst case scenario played out and the total dropouts increased to 7 (5 actual + 2 potential) in Hardy's words per the footnote above - "would not affect the analysis for efficacy", as Hardy knew worst case he had 213 patients that crossed the 90-day threshold. Hardy knew only at that point could he safely announce the completion of enrollment. If that helps clear things up for 1 person, this post will have been worth the time. GL All. Go ATHX. Link to Slide #7ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/4593/tdnet/2013100/00.pdfPS: The June 1st final administration date I used in the example above lines up with Hardy's comment at the Advanced Therapies conference on 5/20/2021, that enrollment had not yet completed as of 5/20. You can hear Hardy himself make that statement on Page 182 of this thread.
Link to Hardy Stating Enrollment was Not Complete as of 5/20/2021 (Page 182 of this Thread)thebiotechinvestor.freeforums.net/thread/82/athersys-continue-discussion?page=182
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Post by md2008 on Aug 31, 2021 3:41:20 GMT
Slide 7 on Helios 8/10 Q2 Financial Results - Explanation of a Key Footnote Regarding When Enrollment was Completed (Link to Slide #7 is below):There has been some discussion and disagreement (mostly elsewhere) on what the below footnote means on Slide #7 regarding when Treasure enrollment was completed: "Completed after a period of time post administration to all patients to confirm that any drop-outs would not affect the analysis for efficacy."I will provide my analysis below of what I believe the above means using an example where I parse the language in the above footnote with some numbers that may not reflect reality, but will be useful for illustrative purposes to explain the meaning of this footnote. So, let's assume the following in this example:- "After a period of time" - Let's assume this "period of time" is 65 days. (Note that Helios has never stated what this "period of time" is, but many people are incorrectly assuming or speculating that its 90 days. Helios never said that the "period of time" was 90 days, and neither did Helios IR in their subsequent email response. . In fact, the need for somewhat convoluted language in the footnote is because the "period of time" was not 90 days. The "period of time" was NOT determined in advance. More on this below.)
- "Post Administration to All Patients" - Let's assume All patients total 220. Let's assume all 220 patients were "Administered" the treatment by June 1st, with 218 patients treated well before June 1st, and the final 2 patients treated on June 1st.
- "Dropouts" - Let's assume 213 patients were treated and passed the 90 day threshold. Let's assume we have 5 actual dropouts that never made it to the 90 day threshold, and 2 more potential dropouts for the 2 patients treated on June 1st that haven't yet crossed the 90 day threshold.
- Maximum number of drop-outs to not "affect the analysis for efficacy" - Let's assume the maximum number of dropouts from the 220 patient trial is 7,and that any more dropouts would "affect the analysis for efficacy".
So, with all of that, what does the footnote mean? It means that Hardy waited for as long as he had to (it turned out to be 65 days in this example from June 1st to August 6th), to ensure that enough patients crossed the 90 day primary endpoint threshold without dropping out. It means that as of August 6th, even if all the remaining patients that had NOT yet crossed the 90 day threshold had all dropped out (2 patients in this example) Hardy knew if that worst case scenario played out and the total dropouts increased to 7 (5 actual + 2 potential) in Hardy's words per the footnote above - "would not affect the analysis for efficacy", as Hardy knew worst case he had 213 patients that crossed the 90-day threshold. Hardy knew only at that point could he safely announce the completion of enrollment. If that helps clear things up for 1 person, this post will have been worth the time. GL All. Go ATHX. Link to Slide #7ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/4593/tdnet/2013100/00.pdfPS: The June 1st final administration date I used in the example above lines up with Hardy's comment at the Advanced Therapies conference on 5/20/2021, that enrollment had not yet completed as of 5/20. You can hear Hardy himself make that statement on Page 182 of this thread. Makes complete sense jck. I suspect the end of the year is going to be pretty interesting. My main concern is what did ATHX give up in milestones to fulfill the agreement. I hate aspire and I was counting on milestones helping support the capital needs of the company until euro partnership. Curious what everyone’s perspective is on timing and sequence of events.
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Post by eitherhalf on Aug 31, 2021 13:15:56 GMT
I would be that one person who has a little more clarity after your post Thanks Jkrdu I am very excited for the near term! (and the far term for that matter)
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Post by pata on Sept 1, 2021 3:26:40 GMT
Slide 7 on Helios 8/10 Q2 Financial Results - Explanation of a Key Footnote Regarding When Enrollment was Completed (Link to Slide #7 is below):There has been some discussion and disagreement (mostly elsewhere) on what the below footnote means on Slide #7 regarding when Treasure enrollment was completed: "Completed after a period of time post administration to all patients to confirm that any drop-outs would not affect the analysis for efficacy."I will provide my analysis below of what I believe the above means using an example where I parse the language in the above footnote with some numbers that may not reflect reality, but will be useful for illustrative purposes to explain the meaning of this footnote. So, let's assume the following in this example:- "After a period of time" - Let's assume this "period of time" is 65 days. (Note that Helios has never stated what this "period of time" is, but many people are incorrectly assuming or speculating that its 90 days. Helios never said that the "period of time" was 90 days, and neither did Helios IR in their subsequent email response. . In fact, the need for somewhat convoluted language in the footnote is because the "period of time" was not 90 days. The "period of time" was not determined in advance. More on this below.)
- "Post Administration to All Patients" - Let's assume All patients total 220. Let's assume all 220 patients were "Administered" the treatment by June 1st, with 218 patients treated well before June 1st, and the final 2 patients treated on June 1st.
- "Dropouts" - Let's assume 213 patients were treated and passed the 90 day threshold. Let's assume we have 5 actual dropouts that never made it to the 90 day threshold, and 2 more potential dropouts for the 2 patients treated on June 1st that haven't yet crossed the 90 day threshold.
- Maximum number of drop-outs to not "affect the analysis for efficacy" - Let's assume the maximum number of dropouts from the 220 patient trial is 7,and that any more dropouts would "affect the analysis for efficacy".
So, with all of that, what does the footnote mean? It means that Hardy waited for as long as he had to (it turned out to be 65 days in this example from June 1st to August 6th), to ensure that enough patients crossed the 90 day primary endpoint threshold without dropping out. It means that as of August 6th, even if all the remaining patients that had NOT yet crossed the 90 day threshold had all dropped out (2 patients in this example) Hardy knew if that worst case scenario played out and the total dropouts increased to 7 (5 actual + 2 potential) in Hardy's words per the footnote above - "would not affect the analysis for efficacy", as Hardy knew worst case he had 213 patients that crossed the 90-day threshold. Hardy knew only at that point could he safely announce the completion of enrollment. If that helps clear things up for 1 person, this post will have been worth the time. GL All. Go ATHX. Link to Slide #7ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/4593/tdnet/2013100/00.pdfPS: The June 1st final administration date I used in the example above lines up with Hardy's comment at the Advanced Therapies conference on 5/20/2021, that enrollment had not yet completed as of 5/20. You can hear Hardy himself make that statement on Page 182 of this thread.
Link to Hardy Stating Enrollment was Not Complete as of 5/20/2021 (Page 182 of this Thread)thebiotechinvestor.freeforums.net/thread/82/athersys-continue-discussion?page=182 Thanks for taking the time to post this, jckrdu. So, Hardy is a p-hacker! Hopefully, to our advantage.
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Post by graham11 on Sept 1, 2021 14:48:22 GMT
Nice analysis of the foot note
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Post by CM kipper007 on Sept 1, 2021 18:03:05 GMT
Still a month to go before Q4. Eagerly awaiting that top-line data announcement.
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Post by eitherhalf on Sept 10, 2021 11:30:13 GMT
fussin and cussin....but still holding damn it!!
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Post by ericchemist on Sept 13, 2021 15:46:03 GMT
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Post by tmfbmf on Sept 16, 2021 12:40:02 GMT
Email from Hardy I emailed Hardy the following: Hello Dr. Kagimoto. I hope you are doing well. I was wondering if you have time to provide more insight into your decision to raise money before the data for the stroke and ARDS studies are public. There is a lot of speculation among investors that, having seen the data, you feel the need to raise money now because it will become more difficult when the data are public. Is there any truth to this? Or, is it the case that commercial readiness must be demonstrated as part of the PMDA application and doing an offering at a later date is not feasible? I know you can't say much to any individual investor, but I want to thank you in advance for any clarification you can provide. Best regards, His response: After entering into the new collaboration agreement, Healios is in charge of preparation of manufacturing capabilities in Japan, we need to start investing now rather than later to build commercial supply. Also we are acceralating the development of NK cells which has fantastic function as you can see with the video. www.net-presentations.com/4593/20210810e/thdgbrngesrt/Please see after 21:00 We believe we have the best in class iPS NK product in the world and we would like to beat our competitors including Fate. We would like to accelerate and start the clinical trials in the US which still takes years. Finally, we have issues with the liquidity for big investors to come in. It is mainly because i have too much shares still. We believe additional fund raise will enable to improve the liquidity of the shares in the market. As you saw, the share price is at the highest point historically but there is not enough shares coming into the market. Although we have strong investors back up including Bailie Gifford, we should have better liquidity so that other sovereign funds can come in. Sincerely, Hardy
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Post by selluwud on Oct 12, 2021 14:38:06 GMT
Anything new expected today at the stem cell conference presentation? meetingonthemesa.com/3:00pm – 3:15pm Athersys
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Post by imz72 on Oct 12, 2021 15:45:03 GMT
Anything new expected today at the stem cell conference presentation? meetingonthemesa.com/3:00pm – 3:15pm Athersys Not expecting anything new from Athersys. What I'm interested in is the timeline for Healios submitting ARDS approval application: Officialy it will be done in Q4 2021 or Q1 2022, but a recent news article indicated that Healios will apply by the end of this year. Don't know though when the presentations will be made available.
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Post by CM kipper007 on Oct 12, 2021 22:10:02 GMT
Anything new expected today at the stem cell conference presentation? meetingonthemesa.com/3:00pm – 3:15pm Athersys Not expecting anything new from Athersys. What I'm interested in is the timeline for Healios submitting ARDS approval application: Officialy it will be done in Q4 2021 or Q1 2022, but a recent news article indicated that Healios will apply by the end of this year. Don't know though when the presentations will be made available. I really don't think there could be any news between now and when they release the stroke results. Everything hinges on that. This really will be make or break time.
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Post by twenty2 on Oct 28, 2021 16:25:26 GMT
Call For Support...
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