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Post by imz72 on Nov 2, 2021 19:07:37 GMT
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Post by lcd on Nov 2, 2021 20:11:53 GMT
imz72, is this a new slide? Your post coincided with an end of the day run up. I don't have a ton of optimism for my $ATHX shares but I have been holding onto these lottery tickets for too long to sell now. Healios should release results in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by eitherhalf on Nov 2, 2021 21:38:19 GMT
Keep your shares, there may yet be hope (and optimism)! Checking out Reddit, there is lots of that all of a sudden. Well, not all of a sudden but with the recent run down, emotions have cooled and picked up with the latest news items and info found. I certainly feel a bit more hope and ....ok, you get it. lol
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Post by eitherhalf on Nov 2, 2021 21:41:45 GMT
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Post by sammy1 on Nov 2, 2021 21:48:34 GMT
Jckrdu...I know that you've followed this company very closely and appreciate all of the helpful information that you've shared. In regards to the updated presentation, did anything stand out to you?
Thanks to everyone for all of the valuable information that has been shared on this company...I've learned a lot from you all.
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Post by imz72 on Nov 2, 2021 22:32:20 GMT
imz72, is this a new slide? Your post coincided with an end of the day run up. I don't have a ton of optimism for my $ATHX shares but I have been holding onto these lottery tickets for too long to sell now. Healios should release results in the next couple of weeks. It's a whole new presentation with regard to the design. I posted the slide that seems most "tantalizing" to me. I think that the statement that they are targeting approximately 40% of ischemic strokes is new.
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Post by imz72 on Nov 2, 2021 22:54:39 GMT
I'm wondering about that too. I think that Dr. Anthony Ting (who is one of the co-authors of the new study) is also going to publish something about the MUST-ARDS trial. See at 07:25-07:50 of this talk from ISCT-2021 sessions:
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Post by twenty2 on Nov 2, 2021 23:39:17 GMT
In case you missed this @reddit... "BARDA INDUSTRY DAY - Virtual Event - (Wed. - Thur.) November 3-4, 2021" - link
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Post by eitherhalf on Nov 3, 2021 22:46:11 GMT
Hey John, thanks for your work with guru on Reddit today. Way to Go out and Get it!!
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Post by twenty2 on Nov 7, 2021 2:48:51 GMT
Hey John, thanks for your work with guru on Reddit today. Way to Go out and Get it!! Thank You, for noticing, eitherhalf...And, Thank You, guru (Zim), for all your help and reporting... Thread at Reddit: UPDATES: BARDA INDUSTRY DAY - Virtual Event - (Wed. - Thur.) November 3-4, 2021 - link
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Post by twenty2 on Nov 12, 2021 8:41:15 GMT
Healios VIDEO with Richard P. Kincaid FY2021 Q3 Financial Results Presentation - link
Healios FY2021 Q3 Financial Results pdf - link
Slide #4 - 90 day TREASURE data release to take place after the 365-day data is locked.Post at reddit with Selected Slides, Healios FY2021 Q3 Financial Results pdf - link
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Post by selluwud on Nov 12, 2021 12:39:57 GMT
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Post by lcd on Nov 12, 2021 12:58:34 GMT
As one of those investors, I definitely wanted and expected to see data sooner. Very disappointing, but I will be interested to hear on Monday if they can provide some clarification and hopefully some nugget of information to get the pps heading in a more positive direction. We might see pressure on the 52 week low during active hours today.
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Post by jckrdu on Nov 13, 2021 23:42:33 GMT
As one of those investors, I definitely wanted and expected to see data sooner. Very disappointing, but I will be interested to hear on Monday if they can provide some clarification and hopefully some nugget of information to get the pps heading in a more positive direction. We might see pressure on the 52 week low during active hours today. Agree. Disappointing. Longer-term - Outlook still looks good given higher odds 365 data is statistically significant, so less risk holding thru the data release, imo. Shorter-term - They're getting a bit low on cash. I want to hear how they plan to fund the company thru the 365-day Treasure data release. Some thoughts on cash position using ballpark numbers:Only have to worry about meeting cash needs thru 1st half of 2022 as Treasure results should be released by June/July 2022. If Treasure data is good, pps will be much higher and they can raise capital after. If data is bad, who cares about cash position as there would be bigger problems. So, need to focus on cash needs thru 1st half 2022.Starting Cash - Ballpark cash at end of last Qtr - June 2021 - $60M (Double check the financials to validate). Ballpark Cash Needs - Per Ivor, I believe he recently estimated/ballparked the burn-rate at approximately $80K for the next year, so let's go with that ballpark. So, that leaves a ballpark negative $20M by end of June 2022. What are the sources of cash? In the recent past, ATHX has relied on the Aspire ATM, and deliberately decided to slow-walk the partnership discussions. Perhaps that strategy made sense before the 90-day Treasure data release delay. I'm sure Ivor and BJ are re-thinking the overall strategy, especially with the pps very close to $1.00. IMO, Ivor and BJ are/will have contingency plans ready to be executed if the pps drops below $1 and Aspire can no longer be tapped. Sources of Cash- Aspire ATM (July/Aug/Sept 2021) - We'll find out how much the raised during this timeframe on Monday (11/15) when the latest financials are released. HOPEFULLY, they tapped the 12M Aspire share limit per qtr hard (I assume that 12M share limit is correct as it was posted by IMZ) at a ballpark pps of $1.50ish to raise close to $20M. The problem is, during this timeframe their overall expectation was that they were going to be seeing positive Treasure data in Q4 and then partner to raise cash, so they may not have tapped Aspire to the full extent allowed during this QTR. IMO, this is a key factor in the cash analysis. This question will be answered on Monday.
- Aspire ATM (Oct/Nov/Dec 2021) - Assume worst case scenario and they raise $12M at $1
- Aspire ATM (Jan/Feb/Mar 2022) - Assume worst case scenario and they raise $12M at $1.
- Aspire ATM (Apr/May/Jun 2022) - Assume worst case scenario and they raise $12M at $1.
- Partnership with Upfront Cash - I'll be listening on Monday to see if BJ is now pursuing the closure of a partnership before Treasure data. In light of the 90-day data release delay, a regional deal (EU only) for 1 indication (ARDS) seems to make the most sense, imo.
Note: I didn't include any milestone payments from Helios as a source of cash because IMO, even if Helios submits the ARDS NDA in Dec/Jan timeframe, we (meaning ATHX) can't assume the PMDA will approve before June 2022... and thus Ivor won't be using any milestone payments as an locked/expected source of cash before June 2022 in his cash plan, imo. Summary:Scenario 1 - So (assuming the pps stays around $1 AND assuming they raised $20M last Qtr), it looks like they'd be able to meet their cash needs thru June 2022 with a ballpark $36M cash balance at June 30, 2022, by just using Aspire. Scenario 2 - Same as scenario 1, but assume they didn't raise any significant cash last QTR. Subtracting that $20M out would leave a small/ballpark $16M at June 2022, and IMO would require other sources of cash beyond Aspire to keep the company funded thru June 2022.... as a $16M balance would be cutting it too close. Note: Ivor does have some tools to reduce spending, so perhaps those tools come into play if we're in this scenario. Other Scenarios at Higher PPS - Obviously, a higher pps (perhaps achieved IMO by stating that ATHX has re-engaged with BARDA and plans to re-submit an application by X date) would perhaps help solve the problem as ATHX ran from $1ish to $3+ before on BARDA expectations. Just playing around with the ballpark numbers above under the different scenarios would allow for raising sufficient cash via Aspire, and still allow them to delay a full/global partnership for all indications until post-Treasure data, when they believe it would be more lucrative. Besides positive news on the BARDA front or a partnership, I'm not seeing any other major & near-term catalysts to drive the PPS higher. IMO, news of Helios' ARDS application will be good to see, but the application alone is not going to translate into a sustained increased pps, IMO, as they'll be an unknown period of time to get the response from the regulatory authorities. Last Thoughts:They can probably limp by using Aspire until June 2022 (even if pps stays close to $1) if they tapped Aspire hard last Qtr and raised that $20M. Their options narrow otherwise. However, because they know that ultimately they can't control the pps, BJ and Ivor are probably planning for the worst case scenario in case the pps goes under $1 and they can't use Aspire. An equity raise at a discounted pps would be required, and is a risk. There are other more drastic options... but no need to mention those now. I'm sure we'll get more guidance/answers on Monday, and the cash plans will come into better focus.
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Post by avtech on Nov 14, 2021 0:34:05 GMT
Always appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Thanks
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Post by imz72 on Nov 14, 2021 21:18:25 GMT
A few notes:
- Athersys ended Q2 with $56.7 million of cash and cash equivalents.
- The current agreement with Aspire is for up to 40 million shares, and I believe that they have already started using this facility in Q3, meaning there are currently less than 40 million shares available under the current agreement. Of course, a new agreement is always an option.
- Healios CFO Richard Kincaid mentioned in his recent Q3 briefing that Healios spends $40-50 million yearly and has currents assets of $160 million which are sufficient for more than 3 years. I wonder if this strong financial position could be used to alleviate Athersys problems: For instance, Healios can give Athersys a loan and get something in return - maybe reduced royalties for a certain indication. In my opinion it will be much better than making a European partnership now with low royalties. There can be also other solutions, and I hope that Athersys managment is creative enough to find them. We shall see tomorrow.
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Post by tmfbmf on Nov 15, 2021 23:40:24 GMT
Athersys should have another $7.2M coming from Healios in Q4 and Q1 according to the Q3 10-K.
Healios Revenue Recognition The remaining transaction price for the performance obligation that was not yet delivered is $4.2 million at September 30, 2021.
Unbilled Accounts Receivable At September 30, 2021, the unbilled accounts receivable from Healios was $3.0 million, which represents a milestone payment owed to us
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Post by jckrdu on Nov 16, 2021 23:00:30 GMT
FYI since I've posted a lot about ATHX in the past:
Longer-term: My outlook is still very positive for this company and stock. I'm very bullish that the Treasure data release in the May/June/July 2022 timeframe will be excellent / statistically significant and Athersys will land a significant partnership later in 2022.
Shorter-term: I have concerns with the lack of major near-term catalysts and their plans to continue using Aspire near-term, and then start "engaging with institutional investors in the coming months", per Ivor on 11/15/2021. While Helios' submission of the ARDS application in Q4/Q1 will be good to see, I don't see the application itself having a major sustained impact to the pps. Of course I could be wrong. BJ's decision NOT to aggressively pursue BARDA funding in the near-term was also disappointing to hear. While I'm sure he has valid reasons, BARDA "hopium" is what took the stock from the $1s to the $3s before, and without that potential opportunity keeping shareholders actively engaged, there's a risk, imo, that the steady Aspire selling will carry the day.
As such, I took a good chunk off the table today on the move higher. Will look to re-enter in 1st QTR 2022.
GL all.
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Post by twenty2 on Nov 20, 2021 7:59:12 GMT
twenty2 PS. New ATHX Corporate Fact Sheet (11/15/21) - link
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Post by selluwud on Nov 30, 2021 12:24:06 GMT
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