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Post by imz72 on Mar 14, 2023 22:36:56 GMT
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Post by twenty2 on Mar 25, 2023 3:38:07 GMT
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Post by jckrdu on Mar 25, 2023 16:27:18 GMT
Hey Twenty2 - Good thoughts. here are some quick thoughts in response... I think the way your concept can playout is by Dan striking a "first rights / exclusive negotiation rights" deal with a potential partner for - let's say - $10M upfront for a negotiating period of maybe 3 months. During that period of time the potential partner gets the benefit of knowing Dan isn't talking to anyone else, and Athersys gets the benefit of being funded for several more months. They could then use part of the $10M to do an interim-analysis if Athersys and the potential partner jointly decide to take that step. The potential partner may want to take that step because it could be a major factor determining if they want to sign a larger/global deal after the 3-month exclusive negotiation period ends. IMO, any partner will likely want to know this information before committing long-term as Masters-2 may require even more patients, time and therefore $$$ to get fully enrolled. Gil did something like the above previously. As I recall, they got something like $10M for exclusive negotiating rights for some period of time. I made Ellen/IR aware of that tactic several months ago. IMO, something like the above being announced at any time is certainly possible. Dan let the cash position dwindle to almost nothing, so it very well could be he had to wait for the March 21st meeting with the FDA to happen where he knew he would get the FDA's decisions at that meeting, and that would enable him to close some type of partnership shortly afterwards. Having said all of that, IMO its equally likely - and perhaps more likely - that no partnership is close to being signed, and Dan had to have the results of the March 21st FDA meeting before a new "Healthcare investor" decides to participate in the next dilutive share offering. Based on Dan's past guidance, he's probably looking for another $10M (approximately 3 months) of funding to bridge to getting a major partnership done. I can see any potential investor wanting to hear results of the 3/21 FDA meeting before agreeing to provide $10M. Dan's recent comment in the last conference call of "only doing a deal that makes sense for shareholders" (words to that effect), carries weight with me and has me thinking that partnership discussions haven't progressed to the final stages, so IMO a dilutive raise is just more likely. Notes: When looking at risks, need to look at 1) the probability of the risk occurring, and 2) the impacts if it does occur. In this case, my view is that the probability of the risk (near term dilution) is at least 50%... probably higher. The problem IMO is the impact which I view as severe, as any dilutive capital raise that needs to be done now could put another reverse split on the table.GL all. I hope Dan gets some type of near-term partnership done to address the immediate cash needs. He's certainly capable of getting it done. Full disclosure: Given the current cash balance and risk of dilution (and the impact that risk would have) I have no current position in ATHX. I plan to re-enter after I see at least 3 months of cash on the balance sheet.
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Post by twenty2 on Mar 27, 2023 0:49:27 GMT
Many Thanks, for your response, jckrdu!...Thank You, for taking the time and making the effort!...That's what I like about you...You offered a potential SOLUTION!...Too many times we drown in our unhappiness and complaints...(And, LORD KNOWS we have so many reasons to be unhappy with our investment in ATHX, most of all, for those of us who are still holding, WE ARE WAY UNDERWATER! Though, I've been adding when I can, when I think it's smart to do so)...Even though you are presently NOT HOLDING ATHX, you offered a POTENTIAL SOLUTION...Many Thanks, Again!I was so impressed with your response that I felt compelled to share it at Reddit - link (I hope you don't mind?...Not the first time I've shared your response here and, posted it at Reddit...You should already know that when I do that, share your comment, if for any reason you don't like that, kindly let me know and, I'll remove/delete it)...Along with many others here, we go WAY BACK, you and I... Your First PP offered A Potential Solution: I think the way your concept can playout is by Dan striking a "first rights / exclusive negotiation rights" deal with a potential partner for - let's say - $10M upfront for a negotiating period of maybe 3 months. During that period of time the potential partner gets the benefit of knowing Dan isn't talking to anyone else, and Athersys gets the benefit of being funded for several more months. They could then use part of the $10M to do an interim-analysis if Athersys and the potential partner jointly decide to take that step. The potential partner may want to take that step because it could be a major factor determining if they want to sign a larger/global deal after the 3-month exclusive negotiation period ends. IMO, any partner will likely want to know this information before committing long-term as Masters-2 may require even more patients, time and therefore $$$ to get fully enrolled. (END)jckrdu, how might you alter/change the structure of your proposal to allow the "INTERIM ANALYSIS" to be performed in the near future, so that the completion of the analysis was done before the end of the year 2023?...Delaying the analysis for some time will possibly allow for more 365 Day patient data to be considered...And, wouldn't that be a good thing???...If agreed upon with a potential partner? I will be curious to read your response when you have time...Thank You, in Advance!...Now, something different at Reddit: Understanding Amendment #3: Athersys will remove eligibility caps on concomitant reperfusion therapy (e.g., tPA, MR or tPA+MR)... twenty2
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Post by jckrdu on Mar 27, 2023 14:56:29 GMT
Many Thanks, for your response, jckrdu!...Thank You, for taking the time and making the effort!...That's what I like about you...You offered a potential SOLUTION!...Too many times we drown in our unhappiness and complaints...(And, LORD KNOWS we have so many reasons to be unhappy with our investment in ATHX, most of all, for those of us who are still holding, WE ARE WAY UNDERWATER! Though, I've been adding when I can, when I think it's smart to do so)...Even though you are presently NOT HOLDING ATHX, you offered a POTENTIAL SOLUTION...Many Thanks, Again!I was so impressed with your response that I felt compelled to share it at Reddit - link (I hope you don't mind?...Not the first time I've shared your response here and, posted it at Reddit...You should already know that when I do that, share your comment, if for any reason you don't like that, kindly let me know and, I'll remove/delete it)...Along with many others here, we go WAY BACK, you and I... Your First PP offered A Potential Solution: I think the way your concept can playout is by Dan striking a "first rights / exclusive negotiation rights" deal with a potential partner for - let's say - $10M upfront for a negotiating period of maybe 3 months. During that period of time the potential partner gets the benefit of knowing Dan isn't talking to anyone else, and Athersys gets the benefit of being funded for several more months. They could then use part of the $10M to do an interim-analysis if Athersys and the potential partner jointly decide to take that step. The potential partner may want to take that step because it could be a major factor determining if they want to sign a larger/global deal after the 3-month exclusive negotiation period ends. IMO, any partner will likely want to know this information before committing long-term as Masters-2 may require even more patients, time and therefore $$$ to get fully enrolled. (END)jckrdu, how might you alter/change the structure of your proposal to allow the "INTERIM ANALYSIS" to be performed in the near future, so that the completion of the analysis was done before the end of the year 2023?...Delaying the analysis for some time will possibly allow for more 365 Day patient data to be considered...And, wouldn't that be a good thing???...If agreed upon with a potential partner? I will be curious to read your response when you have time...Thank You, in Advance!...Now, something different at Reddit: Understanding Amendment #3: Athersys will remove eligibility caps on concomitant reperfusion therapy (e.g., tPA, MR or tPA+MR)... twenty2 Hey Twenty2 - Some thoughts below... On timing of potential interim analysis - Nothing much to add here other than I have no idea when an interim analysis may happen. From Helios' perspective, since their subset hypothesis is based on patients 64 and younger with more severe strokes, they'd most likely want to ensure they had enough patients with that criteria. At this point, its hard to say when enough of those patients would be enrolled in Masters-2 AND be past the 365 day endpoint. For those reasons, I think any interim analysis is probably a ways off... because imo its in Athersys' interests to help Helios get the therapy approved in Japan, so Athersys would most likely only want to conduct the interim analysis when they're confident the results will help Helios. On my comments above regarding partnership perhaps being tied to completion of 3/21 meeting with FDA... for those that hold that view: IMO the more days that pass without a partnership being announced makes it less likely. Thinking is that if a partnership was indeed contingent on the results of the 3/21 meeting with FDA, one would have thought the partnership would have been announced very soon afterwards. On the Amendment #3 discussion on Reddit: I posted my thoughts on that thread. Repeating some below where I think WST is over-looking a few things... "Correct. TPA and MR patients need to be treated in first 4 and 6 hours respectively. My understanding is that if those therapies work the results are known pretty much immediately. So, if TPA and/or MR work, those patients would be screened out of Masters2 where treatment starts at 18 hours at the earliest. Entire hypothesis of Multistem is that it can help patients that can NOT get to hospital within 4-6 hours after stroke where they can get TPA/MR, so trial protocol excludes those patients."
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Post by goose on Mar 27, 2023 15:50:01 GMT
Many Thanks, for your response, jckrdu!...Thank You, for taking the time and making the effort!...That's what I like about you...You offered a potential SOLUTION!...Too many times we drown in our unhappiness and complaints...(And, LORD KNOWS we have so many reasons to be unhappy with our investment in ATHX, most of all, for those of us who are still holding, WE ARE WAY UNDERWATER! Though, I've been adding when I can, when I think it's smart to do so)...Even though you are presently NOT HOLDING ATHX, you offered a POTENTIAL SOLUTION...Many Thanks, Again!I was so impressed with your response that I felt compelled to share it at Reddit - link (I hope you don't mind?...Not the first time I've shared your response here and, posted it at Reddit...You should already know that when I do that, share your comment, if for any reason you don't like that, kindly let me know and, I'll remove/delete it)...Along with many others here, we go WAY BACK, you and I... Your First PP offered A Potential Solution: I think the way your concept can playout is by Dan striking a "first rights / exclusive negotiation rights" deal with a potential partner for - let's say - $10M upfront for a negotiating period of maybe 3 months. During that period of time the potential partner gets the benefit of knowing Dan isn't talking to anyone else, and Athersys gets the benefit of being funded for several more months. They could then use part of the $10M to do an interim-analysis if Athersys and the potential partner jointly decide to take that step. The potential partner may want to take that step because it could be a major factor determining if they want to sign a larger/global deal after the 3-month exclusive negotiation period ends. IMO, any partner will likely want to know this information before committing long-term as Masters-2 may require even more patients, time and therefore $$$ to get fully enrolled. (END)jckrdu, how might you alter/change the structure of your proposal to allow the "INTERIM ANALYSIS" to be performed in the near future, so that the completion of the analysis was done before the end of the year 2023?...Delaying the analysis for some time will possibly allow for more 365 Day patient data to be considered...And, wouldn't that be a good thing???...If agreed upon with a potential partner? I will be curious to read your response when you have time...Thank You, in Advance!...Now, something different at Reddit: Understanding Amendment #3: Athersys will remove eligibility caps on concomitant reperfusion therapy (e.g., tPA, MR or tPA+MR)... twenty2 Hey Twenty2 - Some thoughts below... On timing of potential interim analysis - Nothing much to add here other than I have no idea when an interim analysis may happen. From Helios' perspective, since their subset hypothesis is based on patients 64 and younger with more severe strokes, they'd most likely want to ensure they had enough patients with that criteria. At this point, its hard to say when enough of those patients would be enrolled in Masters-2 AND be past the 365 day endpoint. For those reasons, I think any interim analysis is probably a ways off... because imo its in Athersys' interests to help Helios get the therapy approved in Japan, so Athersys would most likely only want to conduct the interim analysis when they're confident the results will help Helios. On my comments above regarding partnership perhaps being tied to completion of 3/21 meeting with FDA... for those that hold that view: IMO the more days that pass without a partnership being announced makes it less likely. Thinking is that if a partnership was indeed contingent on the results of the 3/21 meeting with FDA, one would have thought the partnership would have been announced very soon afterwards. On the Amendment #3 discussion on Reddit: I posted my thoughts on that thread. Repeating some below where I think WST is over-looking a few things... "Correct. TPA and MR patients need to be treated in first 4 and 6 hours respectively. My understanding is that if those therapies work the results are known pretty much immediately. So, if TPA and/or MR work, those patients would be screened out of Masters2 where treatment starts at 18 hours at the earliest. Entire hypothesis of Multistem is that it can help patients that can NOT get to hospital within 4-6 hours after stroke where they can get TPA/MR, so trial protocol excludes those patients." Subset analysis they release last week was only 90 day
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Post by jckrdu on Apr 19, 2023 16:08:29 GMT
Hey Twenty2 - Good thoughts. here are some quick thoughts in response... I think the way your concept can playout is by Dan striking a "first rights / exclusive negotiation rights" deal with a potential partner for - let's say - $10M upfront for a negotiating period of maybe 3 months. During that period of time the potential partner gets the benefit of knowing Dan isn't talking to anyone else, and Athersys gets the benefit of being funded for several more months. They could then use part of the $10M to do an interim-analysis if Athersys and the potential partner jointly decide to take that step. The potential partner may want to take that step because it could be a major factor determining if they want to sign a larger/global deal after the 3-month exclusive negotiation period ends. IMO, any partner will likely want to know this information before committing long-term as Masters-2 may require even more patients, time and therefore $$$ to get fully enrolled. Gil did something like the above previously. As I recall, they got something like $10M for exclusive negotiating rights for some period of time. I made Ellen/IR aware of that tactic several months ago. IMO, something like the above being announced at any time is certainly possible. Dan let the cash position dwindle to almost nothing, so it very well could be he had to wait for the March 21st meeting with the FDA to happen where he knew he would get the FDA's decisions at that meeting, and that would enable him to close some type of partnership shortly afterwards. Having said all of that, IMO its equally likely - and perhaps more likely - that no partnership is close to being signed, and Dan had to have the results of the March 21st FDA meeting before a new "Healthcare investor" decides to participate in the next dilutive share offering. Based on Dan's past guidance, he's probably looking for another $10M (approximately 3 months) of funding to bridge to getting a major partnership done. I can see any potential investor wanting to hear results of the 3/21 FDA meeting before agreeing to provide $10M. Dan's recent comment in the last conference call of "only doing a deal that makes sense for shareholders" (words to that effect), carries weight with me and has me thinking that partnership discussions haven't progressed to the final stages, so IMO a dilutive raise is just more likely. Notes: When looking at risks, need to look at 1) the probability of the risk occurring, and 2) the impacts if it does occur. In this case, my view is that the probability of the risk (near term dilution) is at least 50%... probably higher. The problem IMO is the impact which I view as severe, as any dilutive capital raise that needs to be done now could put another reverse split on the table.GL all. I hope Dan gets some type of near-term partnership done to address the immediate cash needs. He's certainly capable of getting it done. Full disclosure: Given the current cash balance and risk of dilution (and the impact that risk would have) I have no current position in ATHX. I plan to re-enter after I see at least 3 months of cash on the balance sheet. With the above near-term dilution risk now realized via the dilutive raise, I re=established my position (larger) in ATHX. IMO, the additional money just raised is highly likely to be enough to bridge ATHX to the interim analysis that will be conducted on Masters-2, and hopefully a "first rights" cash-upfront payment from a partner. Risk/reward profile much better now with approximately 3 months of cash on the balance sheet. GL all.
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Post by twenty2 on Apr 21, 2023 21:10:42 GMT
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Post by twenty2 on Jun 14, 2023 3:33:45 GMT
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Post by jckrdu on Aug 23, 2023 18:41:13 GMT
FYI...
Still risk here of course until a year of operating cash is put on the balance sheet IMO, but I like the risk/reward at current levels of .40 After the recent raise, I added considerably in the .20s, .30s and today at .40.
I'm making a bet that at least 1 of the below 3 things will happen in the coming 6-8 weeks, before the next dilution. IMO, EACH item below has a decent chance of getting the pps back to $1.00 and beyond, which is only a $26M market cap after the recent raise with 26.5M shares now issued.
1. BARDA Award -Evidently BARDA awards have NOT been finalized per a post by Cavscout 2 days ago on Reddit. He heard from Ellen at ATHX IR within the past 2 days who said they haven't heard from BARDA, so BARDA is still possible. That post was buried on the thread Cavscout started earlier in the week titled "A Closer Look at the 365-Day primary endpoint for Masters-2", so many may NOT have seen that information, and may incorrectly assume that BARDA is off the table because of the time delay. Per ATHX IR 2 days ago, they have not heard from BARDA yet so a BARDA award is still possible for ATHX.
2. Animal or SIFU deal - Dan has been working on these for some time and I believe both deals will eventually get done. Let's see if he can get 1 over the finish line over the next 6-8 weeks.
3. Interim analysis PR - We know this one is coming because of the pending IA and because they are NOT doing a futility analysis, I believe they will find something positive in the sub-group data which will enable a positive PR.
GL all.
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Post by jckrdu on Aug 24, 2023 13:42:16 GMT
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Post by jckrdu on Aug 31, 2023 14:08:04 GMT
Something interesting and bullish to note...
Whoever bought the last offering has 22M warrants (rights to buy 22M shares) at .32 Based on the low volume the past week, it's clear to me that those warrant holders have NOT executed their warrants in any substantial way at .32 and then sold their shares at .45+ which would be an approximate 50% return.
Why haven't the warrant holders executed their warrants and sold the shares to lock in a 50% gain and de-risk their investment? IMO, the reason is that the warrant holders expect the pps to rise higher. I'm making the same bet as the warrant holders.
Note: To the counter-point some may want to make that the warrant holders have 1.5 years (11M warrants) and 5 years (11M warrants) to execute the warrants, that's true... but there is no guarantee the pps will remain "in the money" over .32 years from now. By choosing NOT to execute their warrants now (which are immediately exerciseable per the terms of the deal) the warrant holders are making a bullish bet. I'm making that same bet.
GL all.
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Post by imz72 on Aug 31, 2023 14:38:40 GMT
Thanks jckrdu, but you pointed out the low volume. I guess that if they had tried to exercise even a small fraction of the huge amount of warrants they hold, it would have created selling pressure and driven the stock price down, and their potential profit would have been very small, much less than 50%.
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Post by jckrdu on Aug 31, 2023 14:55:20 GMT
Thanks jckrdu, but you pointed out the low volume. I guess that if they had tried to exercise even a small fraction of the huge amount of warrants they hold, it would have created selling pressure and driven the stock price down, and their potential profit would have been very small, much less than 50%. Agree, but bottom line is not a lot of selling pressure at .45ish. They seem to be waiting for higher prices which IMO is a bullish indicator.
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Post by omstem on Sept 14, 2023 16:19:30 GMT
The selling stockholders of Athersys (NASDAQ:ATHX) plan to offer and sell 15.36 million shares of the company as part of a secondary offering, the company disclosed in an SEC filing on Wednesday after the bell. The company will not receive any of the proceeds from the sale by the selling stockholders of the common stock. SEC filing.
Anyone knows what does this mean? Company will not receive any proceeds. But existing stock holder receive stock? Then why call it "Sell Shares?"
Thanks.
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Post by imz72 on Sept 15, 2023 12:52:03 GMT
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Post by omstem on Sept 15, 2023 17:14:27 GMT
Thank you Imz.
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Post by md2008 on Sept 20, 2023 11:31:01 GMT
What are everyone’s thoughts on the post IA plan?
Mine:
It’s hard to imagine a scenario with athersys independent in 12 months. If the IA clears at 300<less, then I suspect the clock ticks on going to highest bidder as it nearly assures success of masters-2. Every pharma company will start jumping at the opportunity because, well, they know the opportunity. I’m beginning to believe this has become more and more the strategy.
I’m looking at what Dan’s basis is as the floor for a sell if IA is successful.
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Post by jamesjohnson12 on Sept 20, 2023 11:55:26 GMT
I don't think that is farfetched at all. Seems like one of the likelier options.
Do you mind sharing what Dan's basis is? After R/S and everything, I have lost track. It seems like it probably has to be pretty high relative to current share price. I think his options were around $1 pre split if I remember correctly. So, we would need to sell for $25 or so to make any return on those presplit 10mm shares (off the top of my head).
Thanks in advance if you can shed some light there
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Post by omstem on Sept 20, 2023 17:45:55 GMT
I guess Dan's options are 0.89 cents pre split. If has to make even 10 MM in profit, the stock needs to around $25.
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