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Post by johank on Dec 1, 2015 19:46:09 GMT
Has anyone been following this stock? I recently opened a medium position in this UK company with immunotherapies which target cancer antigens. Different from other CART therapies; they can target both intra- and extra- cellular antigens. Development collaboration with GSK includes milestone payments, 350mm over 7 years. Management projects (June, 2015) enough cash (175mm) for 24 months. P1/2 trials in US enrolling/underway- only T-cell therapy to show efficacy in solid tumors, readout due early 2016. The PPS has been coming out of near-oversold territory recently from a drop after their November readout bump up.
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Post by deadally on Dec 1, 2015 20:35:18 GMT
Can't comment on the financial status of the company, but boy howdy immunotherapy of all stripes is lighting up a lot of tumors. When it comes to ADAP's approach, I'm healthily skeptical only because it's not yet strongly demonstrated that adaptive immune strategies are effective in solid tumors. CAR-T cells have been really, really good so far in leukemia, but solid tumors tend to be a different, more heterogeneous and complicated beast.
Definitely not saying it won't work! But at the same time it's not quite on my radar as a viable strategy just yet. By that, I mean doctors will not be taught about these just yet, especially with so much success for the immune checkpoint inhibitors, which require less technical input and can provide an off-the-shelf effective treatment for these tumors that ADAP is looking to attack.
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Post by johank on Dec 1, 2015 22:41:52 GMT
Can't comment on the financial status of the company, but boy howdy immunotherapy of all stripes is lighting up a lot of tumors. When it comes to ADAP's approach, I'm healthily skeptical only because it's not yet strongly demonstrated that adaptive immune strategies are effective in solid tumors. CAR-T cells have been really, really good so far in leukemia, but solid tumors tend to be a different, more heterogeneous and complicated beast. Definitely not saying it won't work! But at the same time it's not quite on my radar as a viable strategy just yet. By that, I mean doctors will not be taught about these just yet, especially with so much success for the immune checkpoint inhibitors, which require less technical input and can provide an off-the-shelf effective treatment for these tumors that ADAP is looking to attack. Thanks Deadally, I appreciate your thoughts. I suppose the next data readouts will show what is possible. Do you know of other companies with similar approaches for solid tumors?
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Post by deadally on Dec 2, 2015 12:36:10 GMT
Can't comment on the financial status of the company, but boy howdy immunotherapy of all stripes is lighting up a lot of tumors. When it comes to ADAP's approach, I'm healthily skeptical only because it's not yet strongly demonstrated that adaptive immune strategies are effective in solid tumors. CAR-T cells have been really, really good so far in leukemia, but solid tumors tend to be a different, more heterogeneous and complicated beast. Definitely not saying it won't work! But at the same time it's not quite on my radar as a viable strategy just yet. By that, I mean doctors will not be taught about these just yet, especially with so much success for the immune checkpoint inhibitors, which require less technical input and can provide an off-the-shelf effective treatment for these tumors that ADAP is looking to attack. Thanks Deadally, I appreciate your thoughts. I suppose the next data readouts will show what is possible. Do you know of other companies with similar approaches for solid tumors? I'm certain there are other companies pursuing this, but I'm not aware of them. There are other adaptive immuno approaches being explored in glioblastoma, pancreatic, and other tumors, though...like DCVax and rindopepimut, which have shown some promise! The issue they need to overcome with a highly specific CAR-T-like approach is, in my mind, identifying a good-enough target. Tumors emerge from natural cells, so they generally have the same signaling in place, just amped up or suppressed. Therefore, you have a risk of collateral damage with adaptive cell therapy if you pick the wrong target. Take the example of, say, HER2 in breast cancer. In 20% or so of the tumors, HER2 is amplified and overexpressed on the cells. So it would seem like a logical target. But when you block it with Herceptin, you kill tumor cells and cause heart toxicity and lung toxicity. But if they get too problematic, you withdraw drug and wait until it gets better. With adaptive therapy, though, you're training the body to target HER2. And, in effect, you may be training the body to kill ITSELF. With the flagship case of acute lymphoblastic leukemia, you can target molecules like CD19 because these are only expressed in cells that have a B cell origin. The body will wipe out the tumor and its B cells, but you can survive this. In fact, B cell death is one of the ways they measure the "dose" of CAR-T cells still in the body. With solid tumors, however, you're often not talking about unique cell origins. They're often epithelial or something, meaning they have a common origin with some vital organ. You can survive the body wiping out its B cells. You can't survive your body assaulting your heart . Definitely not saying I'm pessimistic, but these challenges make it easy for me to see why solid tumor adaptive therapy lags behind heme cancers. And if it DOESN'T pan out, reasons like the ones I cited might help to explain why.
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Post by johank on Dec 2, 2015 15:54:54 GMT
Thanks Deadally, I appreciate your thoughts. I suppose the next data readouts will show what is possible. Do you know of other companies with similar approaches for solid tumors? I'm certain there are other companies pursuing this, but I'm not aware of them. There are other adaptive immuno approaches being explored in glioblastoma, pancreatic, and other tumors, though...like DCVax and rindopepimut, which have shown some promise! The issue they need to overcome with a highly specific CAR-T-like approach is, in my mind, identifying a good-enough target. Tumors emerge from natural cells, so they generally have the same signaling in place, just amped up or suppressed. Therefore, you have a risk of collateral damage with adaptive cell therapy if you pick the wrong target. Take the example of, say, HER2 in breast cancer. In 20% or so of the tumors, HER2 is amplified and overexpressed on the cells. So it would seem like a logical target. But when you block it with Herceptin, you kill tumor cells and cause heart toxicity and lung toxicity. But if they get too problematic, you withdraw drug and wait until it gets better. With adaptive therapy, though, you're training the body to target HER2. And, in effect, you may be training the body to kill ITSELF. With the flagship case of acute lymphoblastic leukemia, you can target molecules like CD19 because these are only expressed in cells that have a B cell origin. The body will wipe out the tumor and its B cells, but you can survive this. In fact, B cell death is one of the ways they measure the "dose" of CAR-T cells still in the body. With solid tumors, however, you're often not talking about unique cell origins. They're often epithelial or something, meaning they have a common origin with some vital organ. You can survive the body wiping out its B cells. You can't survive your body assaulting your heart . Definitely not saying I'm pessimistic, but these challenges make it easy for me to see why solid tumor adaptive therapy lags behind heme cancers. And if it DOESN'T pan out, reasons like the ones I cited might help to explain why. Thanks again and thanks for being such a great wordsmith when explaining the technical details. They claim to be able to accurately identify targets and include only those with low risk for the clinical programs. Their presentation has some more details regarding the specifics: phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NjAzMzU0fENoaWxkSUQ9MzE0MDc0fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1
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Post by johank on Dec 2, 2015 16:04:51 GMT
Not pumping, but something is going on. Volume up and pps is up 7%, and 15% over last few days.
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Post by johank on Dec 24, 2015 15:22:34 GMT
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