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Post by vzveteran on Feb 12, 2016 23:33:56 GMT
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Could you steer folks over here for discussion as well? The more info we share the better.
I'll try, but am not getting much response...... I think most have tendered or did nothing and woke up to find their shares gone for $8.50. as they were cancelled. I understand doctor01 has applied for appraisal. maybe pm him and ask him over.
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 12, 2016 23:50:51 GMT
I think most have tendered or did nothing and woke up to find their shares gone for $8.50. as they were cancelled.
I understand doctor01 has applied for appraisal. maybe pm him and ask him over. _____________________________
Just did.....hope those messages are read?
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Post by vzveteran on Feb 13, 2016 0:00:07 GMT
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Could you steer folks over here for discussion as well? The more info we share the better.
I'll try, but am not getting much response...... I see your link has been edited? Goes nowhere.....
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 13, 2016 0:10:00 GMT
Could you steer folks over here for discussion as well? The more info we share the better.
I'll try, but am not getting much response......
vzveteran I see your link has been edited? Goes nowhere.....
Many have applied for appraisal rights.....let's hope we can all get together. Were is kukkido and some of the others? Thanks!
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Post by kukkido on Feb 13, 2016 4:30:29 GMT
Hello Moon, and everyone. I am currently on my flight to the Philippines Via Narita. I have been here like all of you hoping for the best and seeing it was one of the worst things besides BK that could have happened to us.
So, Im here waiting like you all to see what direction we are going to be going as a group. Some people have contacted attorney's just like myself and since this just happened. I will call him back and ask for his advice. He advised me to seek an SEC attorney in Delaware and he will look over anything I want clarified. He said once the Deal was done and we have requested appraisal rights. Someone has to file with the Delaware courts to proceed. Only one person files the suit and everyone else falls in line. The attorney who represents the person will also attached those of us who have applied for AR, and the process will be steady. The court will appoint a firm or someone who does this kind of Appraising and then its a negotiation.
My attorney did say that Astellas can make side deals to take the large holders out of the mix by offering them something different. But, he said it seems like Astellas was planning this play all along. Banking that some would tender, most wouldn't and they would have to find a straw buyer or someone who got paid more that the 850 to buy shares on the open market and sell back to Astellas. He said this happens all the time. No one gets caught.
Okay, I willing to do whatever we need to do, i can fly to the Attorney if there is a meeting. I would demand to be there so I dont hear anything second hand.
Peace and take care,
Kukkido
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Post by vzveteran on Feb 13, 2016 16:13:00 GMT
I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares.
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Post by thechurchmaus on Feb 13, 2016 17:03:47 GMT
I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares. they will have to do that anyway by reg mail before it gets filed.they also have an obligation to make all non tender shareholders aware of their rights to an appraisal.this probably has already fallen by the wayside while the scc lawyers watch porn on their computers.
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 13, 2016 17:11:38 GMT
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I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares. ___________________________
Hi kukkido and vzveteran!
vzveteran, thanks for requesting the dissenting shares!....it sure will be helpful for us all to know....but I wonder if anyone will reply? I think there are a lot of dissenters, but until we're organized....makes me feel like we're facing the Electric Chair alone!
Thanks for your post kuddido!, and have a nice time in the Phillipines! We need a strong leader....and maybe it is YOU?!!! Everyone is just waiting for someone to organize this group of Ruffians! Astellas & Ocata knew from the beginning that nothing could stop this deal....Rigged and Crooked....now let's hope we can at least give Astellas some indigestion (a LOT of it!)....and make it very worthwhile for us! (wish we could give Wotton and that crew some heavy indigestion!!). Thanks again very much for all of your help!! best, moonfiddler
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Post by imz72 on Feb 13, 2016 17:40:41 GMT
I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares. they will have to do that anyway by reg mail before it gets filed. they also have an obligation to make all non tender shareholders aware of their rights to an appraisal.this probably has already fallen by the wayside while the scc lawyers watch porn on their computers. I think the answer to this lies in the following paragraph from the "Schedule 14D-9" form (filed on 2015-11-19): "Under Section 262 of the DGCL, where a merger is approved under Section 251(h) of the DGCL, either a constituent corporation before the effective date of the merger, or the surviving corporation within ten days thereafter, shall notify each of the holders of any class or series of stock of such constituent corporation who are entitled to appraisal rights of the approval of the merger and that appraisal rights are available for any or all shares of such class or series of stock of such constituent corporation, and shall include in such notice a copy of Section 262. This Schedule 14D-9 constitutes the formal notice of appraisal rights under Section 262 of the DGCL." www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1140098/000119312515382140/d45216dsc14d9.htm
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Post by thechurchmaus on Feb 13, 2016 17:51:31 GMT
i wonder how this is going to work?astella has already taken and paid for non tendered shares.a loophole as usual?
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 13, 2016 18:18:40 GMT
Sure....they paid immediately....very crafty and sly.....made everyone say great....take the money and run...
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Post by jak on Feb 14, 2016 4:33:51 GMT
Attached is the retainer doc from the attorney firm i talked to. Vzveteran, please review and let me know what you think. I am ready to follow your lead on this with this firm or any other deal you dug up. Jak/John
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Post by JHam on Feb 14, 2016 10:25:43 GMT
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I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares.___________________________ Hi kukkido and vzveteran! vzveteran, thanks for requesting the dissenting shares!....it sure will be helpful for us all to know....but I wonder if anyone will reply? I think there are a lot of dissenters, but until we're organized....makes me feel like we're facing the Electric Chair alone! Thanks for your post kuddido!, and have a nice time in the Phillipines! We need a strong leader....and maybe it is YOU?!!! Everyone is just waiting for someone to organize this group of Ruffians! Astellas & Ocata knew from the beginning that nothing could stop this deal....Rigged and Crooked....now let's hope we can at least give Astellas some indigestion ( a LOT of it!)....and make it very worthwhile for us! (wish we could give Wotton and that crew some heavy indigestion!!). Thanks again very much for all of your help!! best, moonfiddler moonfiddler, just curious why you don't use the "quote" function here? It's easy to use and you don't have to manually copy, paste, and italicize the post want to quote.
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Post by vzveteran on Feb 14, 2016 12:40:24 GMT
Attached is the retainer doc from the attorney firm i talked to. Vzveteran, please review and let me know what you think. I am ready to follow your lead on this with this firm or any other deal you dug up. Jak/John Do we need hire a firm that will take one third plus expenses?.....As I understand it so far, all we need to do is be a party to petition already filed...and share costs. It is interesting that they are willing to take this on as a contingency though. They must anticipate a positive outcome..
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Post by kukkido on Feb 14, 2016 14:30:02 GMT
Just curious how much would it cost us to just pay the fee to the attorney. If she is taking 33%, that seems alot. And, doesn't the lawyer get paid as a part of the suit. So, she would be getting paid from the suit and a bonus of anything that would be collected above the 850 per share. I would ask her how much she would charge and lets see our options. At least we can have a starting point from which to negotiate.
From what I have been told, the court will assign an adjuster or appraiser to value the Company. We need someone who can itemize the value of the company and send it to the lawyer to have them represent it to the appraiser. I am sure there is paperwork to file as any court case.
Comments?
Im following from Cebu City. It was a beautiful day today.
Kukkido
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Post by vzveteran on Feb 14, 2016 14:33:43 GMT
Imo, we need to find out if there are any active petitions in play, then see if we can join in...
I'm going to do some digging this week.
I do think it will take a little time for the dust to settle for an accurate count...... I/R has not gotten back to me despite repeated attempts. Which has been an ongoing problem with them for the past year or more.
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Post by thechurchmaus on Feb 14, 2016 16:53:44 GMT
nice gig if you can get it.collecting a third and up front fees for doing nothing minus one. since there is only one petitioner required and all others are automatically added.just like the fees for the filing originally.some paid 600 and 400$ and some nothing like me with fidelity.i am just going to sit back and hope a good lawfirm gets picked. it would not surprise me if in the meantime astella makes a lowball offer trying to reduce the numbers.24$is my lowest i would accept.may be i send ir astella an email with the offer?
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 14, 2016 17:36:59 GMT
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I have sent an email to IR requesting the total outstanding dissenting shares.___________________________ Hi kukkido and vzveteran! vzveteran, thanks for requesting the dissenting shares!....it sure will be helpful for us all to know....but I wonder if anyone will reply? I think there are a lot of dissenters, but until we're organized....makes me feel like we're facing the Electric Chair alone! Thanks for your post kuddido!, and have a nice time in the Phillipines! We need a strong leader....and maybe it is YOU?!!! Everyone is just waiting for someone to organize this group of Ruffians! Astellas & Ocata knew from the beginning that nothing could stop this deal....Rigged and Crooked....now let's hope we can at least give Astellas some indigestion ( a LOT of it!)....and make it very worthwhile for us! (wish we could give Wotton and that crew some heavy indigestion!!). Thanks again very much for all of your help!! best, moonfiddler moonfiddler, just curious why you don't use the "quote" function here? It's easy to use and you don't have to manually copy, paste, and italicize the post want to quote. Hi JHam, Thanks for pointing that out....just shows how illiterate I am...wasn't sure how, but hope it works this time?! (if not, I'll keep trying)
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Post by JHam on Feb 14, 2016 17:46:56 GMT
moonfiddler, just curious why you don't use the "quote" function here? It's easy to use and you don't have to manually copy, paste, and italicize the post want to quote. Hi JHam, Thanks for pointing that out....just shows how illiterate I am...wasn't sure how, but hope it works this time?! (if not, I'll keep trying) Almost! Just be sure to click below the white box, in the grey area before typing.
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Post by moonfiddler on Feb 14, 2016 18:14:21 GMT
nice gig if you can get it.collecting a third and up front fees for doing nothing minus one. since there is only one petitioner required and all others are automatically added.just like the fees for the filing originally.some paid 600 and 400$ and some nothing like me with fidelity.i am just going to sit back and hope a good lawfirm gets picked. it would not surprise me if in the meantime astella makes a lowball offer trying to reduce the numbers.24$is my lowest i would accept.may be i send ir astella an email with the offer? When is the latest date that appraisals can be filed with the Delaware Court? Our paper stock certificate, that we recently received, is made out to Cede & Co. That's quite a story....Google them sometime and you'll see that no one in USA actually owns their stock....Cede & Co. does, and we are the beneficiaries.... Are our stocks being used as collateral by the Federal Reserve?........ As Rigged as Wall Street is....I guess nothing surprises anyone...anymore!! .....just keep the booze flowing.....
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