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Post by imz72 on Nov 9, 2015 21:34:21 GMT
I sold at 430 after a long time holding probably why we are going back up! I just couldnt deal with the missed timelines any longer. Lets see how this plays out. Good luck to the rest of you still holding. I also sold many shares in the 4.26 - 4.39 range. Still holding a small portion (relative to my holdings till the end of last week, when I began selling in anticipation of the quarterly CC). I think there's a good chance we will be able to re-buy our sold shares with a 10% discount in the coming days/weeks/months. |
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Post by perrinmosca on Nov 10, 2015 12:06:06 GMT
What did i tell u im a f'in loser
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Post by selluwud on Nov 10, 2015 13:08:08 GMT
I sold at 430 after a long time holding probably why we are going back up! I just couldnt deal with the missed timelines any longer. Lets see how this plays out. Good luck to the rest of you still holding. Man, did your timing suck or what? Another day sometimes does make the difference. Hope you held on to a few shares as I share your frustrations and also have been on the wrong side of a trade more than once. |
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Post by JHam on Dec 2, 2015 12:54:30 GMT
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Post by hansgruber on Dec 2, 2015 13:03:49 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous, repulsive, horrifying, embarrassing, the list goes on and on. These guys should be completely embarrassed and hauled into jail. Who do they think the are, warren buffet? I seriously don't know how the BOD can look at themselves in the mirror. Shameful. |
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Post by elk on Dec 3, 2015 0:17:40 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous, repulsive, horrifying, embarrassing, the list goes on and on. These guys should be completely embarrassed and hauled into jail. Who do they think the are, warren buffet? I seriously don't know how the BOD can look at themselves in the mirror. Shameful. It does have to make us wonder. How did a clearly genius scientist with seemingly unquestioned integrity like Robert Langer accept a Board position and then go along with this deal? I would hope some day to hear his explanation of what happened here, and Lanza's as well. |
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Post by JHam on Dec 3, 2015 1:34:51 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous, repulsive, horrifying, embarrassing, the list goes on and on. These guys should be completely embarrassed and hauled into jail. Who do they think the are, warren buffet? I seriously don't know how the BOD can look at themselves in the mirror. Shameful. It does have to make us wonder. How did a clearly genius scientist with seemingly unquestioned integrity like Robert Langer accept a Board position and then go along with this deal? I would hope some day to hear his explanation of what happened here, and Lanza's as well. My guess is that he realized it was going to take a minor miracle for them to ever be able to commercialize. Not only that, but why not accept a board position with these companies? What's the downside? These guys make millions just for showing up to occasional meetings. |
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Post by chuck on Dec 3, 2015 1:47:48 GMT
Kinda makes the stomach turn. What a world we live in. |
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Post by spambox on Dec 3, 2015 3:57:53 GMT
Makes me think how little chance the average retail shareholder has of actually ever getting a fair deal with disgusting greedy pieces of scum like these in positions of power. Their bad karma will catch up with them tenfold though, in this life or the next, of that much I am certain.
No surprise that bastard Wotton is laying low.
I encourage everyone here to follow the careers of these guys and warn retail shareholders at every possible opportunity exactly what sort of scum they are dealing with.
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Post by greatceasarsghost on Dec 3, 2015 13:53:41 GMT
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Post by jeff on Dec 5, 2015 0:21:51 GMT
It totally matters! Someone else will develop it, and if the promise of the therapy is proven, will bring it to market, right? Why not invest in that entity? The added value of the potential treatment should be the same, if the markets are efficient. Understand your point, regarding dashed hopes--but those hopes were always founded on a type of arbitrage-based investment thesis--that the market is inefficient and we shareholders know, or knew, something the everyone else operating in the market didn't. Nevertheless, the intrinsic value of Ocata's therapies remain the same, whether developed by Ocata, or Astellas, or someone else. And most of us who have invested in Ocata presumably did so because we believed in that intrinsic value. That value doesn't disappear just because some other entity is going to develop the therapies. Invest in the therapy. Invest in whoever owns the therapy. That's my thought, anyway. |
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Post by greatceasarsghost on Dec 5, 2015 3:22:05 GMT
It totally matters! Someone else will develop it, and if the promise of the therapy is proven, will bring it to market, right? Why not invest in that entity? The added value of the potential treatment should be the same, if the markets are efficient. Understand your point, regarding dashed hopes--but those hopes were always founded on a type of arbitrage-based investment thesis--that the market is inefficient and we shareholders know, or knew, something the everyone else operating in the market didn't. Nevertheless, the intrinsic value of Ocata's therapies remain the same, whether developed by Ocata, or Astellas, or someone else. And most of us who have invested in Ocata presumably did so because we believed in that intrinsic value. That value doesn't disappear just because some other entity is going to develop the therapies. Invest in the therapy. Invest in whoever owns the therapy. That's my thought, anyway.
*EDIT - Sarcasm, being mean
GCG, please be nice. Thanks!
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Post by observingthechaos on Dec 5, 2015 3:29:42 GMT
I've sold my Ocata shares for 36% profit and am quite happy with that return. However, with my luck, a huge bidding war will now take place and the PPS will skyrocket, so an early congratulations is in order.
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Post by JHam on Dec 5, 2015 8:08:52 GMT
I've sold my Ocata shares for 36% profit and am quite happy with that return. However, with my luck, a huge bidding war will now take place and the PPS will skyrocket, so an early congratulations is in order. Well done! |
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Post by JHam on Dec 5, 2015 8:14:50 GMT
It totally matters! Someone else will develop it, and if the promise of the therapy is proven, will bring it to market, right? Why not invest in that entity? The added value of the potential treatment should be the same, if the markets are efficient. Understand your point, regarding dashed hopes--but those hopes were always founded on a type of arbitrage-based investment thesis--that the market is inefficient and we shareholders know, or knew, something the everyone else operating in the market didn't. Nevertheless, the intrinsic value of Ocata's therapies remain the same, whether developed by Ocata, or Astellas, or someone else. And most of us who have invested in Ocata presumably did so because we believed in that intrinsic value. That value doesn't disappear just because some other entity is going to develop the therapies. Invest in the therapy. Invest in whoever owns the therapy. That's my thought, anyway.
*EDIT - Sarcasm, being mean
GCG, please be nice. Thanks!
JHamThanks for checking out the above edit. |
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Post by phoenix200k on Dec 5, 2015 15:00:59 GMT
I've sold my Ocata shares for 36% profit and am quite happy with that return. However, with my luck, a huge bidding war will now take place and the PPS will skyrocket, so an early congratulations is in order. You've been reading icell again haven't you. This is a done deal..I also took the money. Believe me if there was ever an iota that they could hold out and do this alone they would have. I started calling some folks out on their outlandish predictions (no need to name them) and was called a troll. They made it hard for me to log on but that's cool, I canceled my membership before hand. In my opinion it's more harmful pumping than it is bashing. Folks over there put their lives,homes, and family on hold because of a few zealots over there and I called them out on it. Thanks jham in advance for letting me go off topic and say my piece. I'm finished....go geron!!!  |
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Post by jckrdu on Dec 5, 2015 16:37:58 GMT
I've sold my Ocata shares for 36% profit and am quite happy with that return. However, with my luck, a huge bidding war will now take place and the PPS will skyrocket, so an early congratulations is in order. You've been reading icell again haven't you. This is a done deal..I also took the money. Believe me if there was ever an iota that they could hold out and do this alone they would have. I started calling some folks out on their outlandish predictions (no need to name them) and was called a troll. They made it hard for me to log on but that's cool, I canceled my membership before hand. In my opinion it's more harmful pumping than it is bashing. Folks over there put their lives,homes, and family on hold because of a few zealots over there and I called them out on it. Thanks jham in advance for letting me go off topic and say my piece. I'm finished....go geron!!! By definition, it's not a done deal until the votes are counted.
Will 51% of shareholders tender their shares for $8.50? Hard to say IMO. I believe any institutions who recently bought and have an average cost of $6 or lower will vote "Yes", but I don't think that comprises more than 20% of the shares. Retailers will have the final say, and IMO a good number of them have an average cost close to $8.50 or higher and will be voting "No". I think the vote will be fairly close, and I don't think anyone can make any definitive statements one way or the other.
Per my prior posts, IMO there's both potential upside and downside from here. Upside if Astellas increases their offer or another offer surfaces, and downside if $8.50 is voted down and Astellas doesn't immediately announce a higher offer or walks.
Wishing the best for all holding.
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Post by phoenix200k on Dec 5, 2015 17:19:23 GMT
I mean this sincerely and I do hope for the best for all shareholders especially the longs. I started buying in Dec 2010 and averaged down from owning 100k shares @ 20 cents to owning 7950 @ 6.29 trading along the way.
I just don't see much upside in holding if astellas ups their offer. Realistically how much higher will they go? I would rather invest my money elsewhere at 5his time. 5 years was enough with too many letdowns along the way with act/ocata. Wotton and the bod wouldn't have unanimously signed off on this deal if they thought they could do better.
Remember there was 24 months of talks before this deal was struck and maybe even some share price manipulation along the way,but I can't prove that.
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Post by iamaverb on Dec 5, 2015 17:48:28 GMT
I have nowhere in the immediate future to put my money so I am holding out till the end. Other than hoping for a larger offer, I hope the deal doesn't consummate till 2016 so I have more opportunity for reducing my tax burden. I am thankful for the opportunity to load up in the 3's, thereby reducing my dollar cost average. My thinking at the time is we have to AT LEAST get back to the 12's.
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Post by spambox on Dec 6, 2015 4:24:29 GMT
Watch the volume over the next week or so. If it continues dropping off and the share price stays at or just under $8.50 then it is very likely many shareholders are tendering. Once tendered, those shares can't be traded, which is why the volume would drop off as we get closer to 12/17. The clock is ticking, and in all honesty I think it is becoming increasingly unlikely anyone is coming to save us now. Those greedy self-serving b@stards (Wotton, BOD, business C-levels) will EACH be making many millions out of this deal, and it is directly at the expense of long retail shareholders. I am so angry at the way this deal went down, and how the possible 'small JV' turned into a buyout, coincidentally right about the same time the share price was 'mysteriously' shorted to half the level it had held for years, and for no apparent reason. To quote Wotton, "There are no fundamental changes to the company that would explain this sudden drop in share price"... Oh really mate? OH F'ING REALLY MATE?  So Astellus viewing insider info and suddenly changing from a small JV to wanting to buy the company, and the share price inexplicably being shorted to half its value all happening at around the same time was just a coincidence was it, you fat self-serving greedy b@stard? I believe Wotton knew exactly what was going on - how could he NOT know? - and he did nothing to fulfill his fiduciary duty to shareholders. NOTHING. In fact, I believe his actions above demonstrate deliberate culpability in what can only be considered outright fraud. And he's going to get away with it. Wotton's not an American, so he couldn't give a flying fk about the IP going offshore - as long as he gets to stuff his pockets full of shareholders money, then it's "no worries mate", and a big fat finger straight in the face of all the long retail shareholders. **************************************************..Sorry, but every time I think about this I get so pissed at how we've been blatantly screwed here. *EDIT - Nation bashing
I understand you are pissed and I don't care if you rant a little bit. But please refrain from bashing Wotton's nationality. That is definitely against the rules and is a good way to get banned in a hurry. We have members on this board from dozens of different countries and they should never feel intimidated to post because of it.JHam |
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So Astellus viewing insider info and suddenly changing from a small JV to wanting to buy the company, and the share price inexplicably being shorted to half its value all happening at around the same time was just a coincidence was it, you fat self-serving greedy b@stard?